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Andy Sproule05/02/2018 19:53:28
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img_2985.jpgimg_2984.jpgHi,would anyone have one of these and could tell me what inserts these are?Its and Iscar F75A -D50/2.0-R8.img_2981.jpg

Oldiron05/02/2018 20:04:48
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Hi Try this link.:- **LINK**

regards

Andy Sproule05/02/2018 20:11:30
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Thanks for quick reply.My model isn't there.

John Hinkley05/02/2018 20:20:43
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They look very much like these:

**LINK**

I'd have said the AD.. suffix was a clue. Available in two sizes from JB - you'll have to get the tape measure out.

John

Andy Sproule06/02/2018 14:25:08
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Rang cutwell they said only Iscar inserts fit.Are there any other companies I should try?

Muzzer06/02/2018 15:32:04
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It looks old and obsolete so you would probably spend more on inserts than it's worth.

The most popular modern cutters use inserts like the AP** style and you can get them from many outlets. Search for something like "BAP300R 50-22-4" which would be a 50mm diameter cutter with 22mm arbor hole and 4 inserts AP**1135 or the "BAP400R etc" which take the larger AP**1604 inserts. I believe these are based on a Mitsubishi design but I may be wrong.

For steels you might go for coated APKT style and for loominum you might want uncoated APGT. You can get these on ebay, Aliexpress and other places closer to home such as APT Tools, who stock these and other modern types.

Murray

Edited By Muzzer on 06/02/2018 15:32:48

KWIL06/02/2018 15:44:33
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Looks like an early Iscar Helimill. Not in my catalogue and inserts listed all have chip breaker rather than flat faced inserts as on you example.What are the dimensions of the inserts as fitted?

Edited By KWIL on 06/02/2018 15:45:14

Oldiron06/02/2018 17:49:31
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Andy Sproule, Thanks for quick reply.My model isn't there.

Hi Andy. I think you will find that your facemill takes the same tips as in the link I gave you. If you post the dimensions I may have something suitable you could try. (no promises tho )

regards

Muzzer06/02/2018 18:29:40
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No, Oldiron, the inserts you linked to are modern, positive rake things which are much more advanced than the flat faced, zero rake inserts in the photos. They will generate lower cutting forces and produce a better finish under most conditions. Whether or not they fit is unclear but it seems unlikely.

Unless you are nostalgic about old, inefficient tools, you'd be better putting that tool on the mantle piece - or possibly filing it.

Murray

JasonB06/02/2018 18:43:57
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These look more like whats in the holder.

Why not contact Iscar and see if they can tell you the old number and then have a google to see if any crop up but as Murray says you can get a 50mm head, arbor and box of inserts for less than what a couple of iscar inserts will set you back.

Edited By JasonB on 06/02/2018 18:44:32

norman royds 206/02/2018 19:29:47
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I Andy i just been looking through all the business card and found jb cutting tools.com email jenny@JBCuttingtools .com I hope this help you every time I wanted tip i been lucky I think she does most shows I hope you are lucky regards norm

richardandtracy06/02/2018 21:28:00
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I suspect you'll be really surprised at the price of the type of cutter Muzzer is suggesting. I am likely to order a BAP300R 50 22 with MT3 mandrel and 10 inserts, I don't expect to have to pay more than £28 inc postage from China. It makes looking for replacement, poor shape, inserts for my Warco face mill seem utterly pointless. Replacement inserts can be as low as £6.50 for 10. And, no, they are not a pile of horse manure - who do you think makes 90% of inserts worldwide? Same people as makes the iPhone, the Chinese.

Regards

Richard.

Chris Gunn07/02/2018 14:22:04
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Andy, I used to buy my Iscar inserts from Cromwell tools, there may be a branch close to you who can help.

Chris Gunn

richardandtracy07/02/2018 15:20:22
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Posted by richardandtracy on 06/02/2018 21:28:00:

... I am likely to order a BAP400R 50 22 with MT3 mandrel and 10 inserts,...

Have just ordered... Cost £28.82p, the exchange rate is fractionally worse today than yesterday.

As a comparator pricewise, the face mill it'll replace is currently sold by Clarke (Part No. 7610322) and costs from £54.

Regards,

Richard.

Andy Sproule07/02/2018 17:15:27
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Thanks again for all help. I will buy one of the cheap ones that Muzzer recommended?

Jon08/02/2018 19:59:23
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2 min check found plenty that will fit, last hell of a lot longer and far better than any cheap chinese tool not mentioning the inserts. Dont under estimate a quality tool usually in a different league to various links and names above, been there done it false economy wasting that £28.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ceratizit-ADKT-1505PDSR-29-CTP1235-tips-inserts-cutting-3-33-Each-VAT/253193746523?hash=item3af385f85b:g:4DMAAOSwj9dZ1z1~

Tips look wrong in that Iscar by fit still a quality tool and will take modern stuff. Its just the angle in this case, size, thickness and hole size.

Andy Sproule12/02/2018 18:29:37
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Jon just seeing this reply now how can I be sure these ones will fit?

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