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Has anybody built Beng's Danni Steam engine.

Some challenging parts in this one !

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Pierre Kotze23/09/2017 19:06:32
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Lawrie,

I intent to build a small replica of a table saw, using carbon steel cut-off blades 25mm dia.

Pierre

Lawrie Bradly24/09/2017 08:29:35
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That sounds like an interesting project Pierre. (I was joking about the steam-powered dentists' drill.) Regards, Lawrie

Ian S C24/09/2017 11:11:52
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I run a mini power hacksaw on either of three of my hot air motors, it's not exactly "high speed" a bit of 10 mm rebar takes about twenty minutes. I usually run the motor at 600 to 900rpm, and the speed reduced to about 100 to 150 stroke per minute. Driven from the 180W electric motor on my Super Adept lathe, it will cut the same bit of steel in less than 5 minutes. Powered by a Stuart Turner S9 the saw cuts at a similar speed to the electric motor power.

Ian S C

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Brian John24/09/2017 12:01:54
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I really don't think the small Danni steam engine will be up to cutting anything but hopefully Pierre will prove me wrong. His boiler may have more power than mine and his steam engine was probably better made.

Hopper24/09/2017 12:19:20
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Perhaps a Danni-powered cheese slicer? wink

Brian John24/09/2017 14:03:40
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Cottage cheese perhaps but definitely not Parmesan !

Pierre Kotze24/09/2017 17:12:48
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Brian,

This table saw will be a replica like you find in the Mamod category. It is not supposed to cut anything - it will just buzz along like one. I plan to make various small realistic 'toy' tools that can be powered by the Danni.

Pierre

Brian John25/09/2017 00:57:07
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Aha..now I understand. I think the Danni might be powerful enough to run a small dynamo and a light. It depends on how much steam pressure you get from your boiler. What sort of boiler are you using ?

Lawrie Bradly25/09/2017 05:02:05
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On the subject of boilers, here is my set up. Seeing it, some people laugh. Why would that be?img_2709.jpg

Ian S C25/09/2017 11:29:46
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Good set up Lawrie, I was going to do the same, slightly larger pressure cooker, but my sister got down on it before I got a chance.

There was an item in ME, probably in the 1990s of Stuart Turner steam engines being use with a generator as a battery charger for clandestine radios in France during WW2, the boiler was a large army pressure cooker, for transit the motor/generator was packed inside the cooker.

Ian S C

Lawrie Bradly25/09/2017 14:44:15
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That's very interesting Ian, about the steam generator for clandestine radio batteries. I googled it and came up with a photo and short description of the ALCO Steam Generator (Stuart/Sirius) - UK 1944. This is the link: http://www.campx.ca/WWIIClandestine.html Another reference said the Australian War Memorial has one. I bought a set of castings for a Stuart 10V engine off eBay a while ago and intend starting on it when I've finished my Danni projects. My set of castings were originally bought in England in 1976. The bloke who bought them never got around to it and after he emigrated to Australia they remained in his wardrobe in country NSW for about 40 years, before he sold them to me. There is a great series of about 30 step by step videos on Youtube by 'Tinker John' on building the 10V. I know I could have bought the castings new from Stuarts, but I rather like the history of this set - all documented with original receipts, etc. As it is, if I mess up any of the castings I might need recourse to Stuarts, but I hope not.

Pierre Kotze25/09/2017 23:54:10
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Brian

I don't have a suitable boiler at the moment, so I'm running it on compressed air. She can idle along at 3 psi, or really shake the table at 25 psi. At this higher pressure I cannot stop the crankshaft rotating by pinching it with my fingers.

A couple of things make this engine run strong:

I stuck to the best tolerances I could. Proper alignment of all parts is necessary to eliminate friction. I also used small amounts of gasket sealant on all mating surfaces ( cylinder- and piston valve end caps) and the valve box cover. She will hopefully not blow steam all over the place when I hook her up to a boiler.

Pierre

Brian John26/09/2017 01:29:48
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Pierre ; it sounds like you have made the engine very well however, if you seal everything that well then this can cause water to be trapped in the cylinder both behind and in front of the piston. The engine can lock up after a few minutes of running. I have had this problem with some engines I have built from pre-machined kits. Tapcocks are one solution but there is not much room to install them on this small engine. I have found that running on air can be very different to running on steam.

Of course, a boiler of a different design to mine may give better results ; you will not know until you run it on steam.

Ian S C26/09/2017 10:59:03
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A mate has a very old V10(pre WW2) in his Museum, it actually has 3 steam cocks on the cylinder, one at each end where you would expect, then another in the center of top cylinder cover.

Ian S C

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Brian John15/10/2017 07:55:13
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I had to wait a while for my brass plates to arrive from China so that I could build another firebox for the horizontal boiler for Danni #2. Almost finished now... I just have to attach the boiler bands. Some of the brass plates (0.6mm thick) were a little bit bent and buckled when they arrived. As they were sent in a small box, then I assume that this happened during the cutting process. I ordered extras so I was able to put these aside and just use the better flat pieces. I might try 0.8mm plates next time but that could make cutting out the curves for the boiler a bit more difficult.

Is there any way to flatten out brass plates once they become warped ?

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Lawrie Bradly15/10/2017 10:41:38
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Hi Brian,

Maybe the brass plates could be straightened by tapping them on an anvil, perhaps with a plate between the hammer and 'the work', and 'the work' and the anvil, to prevent damage? (We should all have an anvil, but I've only got a vice I made in Tech' school. It does though, however, provide the necessary flat solid metal surface).

Looking back at Ian's photo of the V10 Stuart engine, I'm reminded of the nexus between restoring motorbikes and steam model making. There are a few bikes in the background of Ian's photo. I've got three bikes (Ariel and BMW) I've restored in my garage and no room now for any more. That's one of the reasons I'm now stuffing about with little steam engines. I am also appreciative of the fact that they are a damn site less expensive to play about with than old bikes

By coincidence, I finally got back today to milling the slots in the conrods of my Danni engines (a single and a twin - effectively three engines), I'm not getting a 'perfect result', but then if you aim at perfection you're bound for disappointment..

Regards, Lawrie.

Ian S C15/10/2017 12:10:29
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My friend Matt has over a dozen bikes as part of his Museum, mostly Honda, but also BSA, and an Indian built Royal Enfield diesel powered bike with a side car, it's that slow that when he took it to a show he displayed it as a stationary engine. Ian S C

Brian John21/10/2017 10:06:32
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I have finally finished Danni #2 steam plant. The housing for the horizontal boiler gave me some problems as I constructed it differently from the first one. It eventually worked out okay and now it runs well. I decided not to paint the boiler with the heat resistant paint on this one as it turned out to be not all that heat resistant on the first boiler !

(Can somebody fix that video link please ? I do not know why that does not work anymore.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygBLAxskl_U&feature=youtu.be

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Edited By JasonB on 21/10/2017 10:09:58

JasonB21/10/2017 10:10:59
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Running like a good unsmiley

Lawrie Bradly21/10/2017 11:09:14
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What a ripper. Excellent job. Congratulations.

By coincidence, I spent a couple of hours today working on my engines, only to find that my adaptations to Beng's design for the twin have completely stuffed up all the clearances, and it won't spin.

What an idiot.

I might though be able to fix it. We'll see. Otherwise it will involve going back to square one for the crankshafts and conrods.

Eventually I'll let you know. Just for now I'm embarrassed.

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